[Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser

Tue Dec 30 03:30:22 PST 2008

Well, could get the synth font interface to cooperate with 
window-eyes, maybe need to try jaws, but managed to do it with bank 
numbers in the .starr file.

On track 11 which is really channel 11 the way they have things 
mapped changed 0:0 to 128:0 which gave me a drumkit on midi channel 11.

Of course it'd be nice to have dynamic bank numbers instead of this 
hard wired approach we have dynamic program changes, why can't bank 
changes be this way?

Ah well, can't bitch if the program is free right?

Maybe there's a way to do it and we ain't discovered it yet, or maybe 
we can write to the author and ask him to give us this feature.

I know we have sfz and stuff, but I'd pay for a decent font player 
that was accessible without any special voodoo and synth font has the 
added advantage of being able to do vst effects and all that stuff as 
well as multiple fonts which sfz can't do and I do have a butt load 
of sound fonts.

At 04:38 AM 12/30/2008, you wrote:
>so from Synthfont's interface , simply assign the other drum kit to 
>channel 11 , pick up your favorit preset , and send the midi tracks 
>controlling this kit to channel 11 , output to Synthfont.
>cheers
>Roy.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:53 AM
>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>
>
>>So you haven't assigned bank messages to your fonts yet?
>>
>>Fonts use conroler 0 method for that, and the reason I want to do 
>>this is to use more than one drum kit say assign another drumkit on 
>>channel 11 I could always split up the font but that's a pain in 
>>the but, I want to assign a bank number and ge another drum kit.
>>
>>I can't find anything about that in the manual/tutorials.
>>
>>I wee settings in the .starr file, maybe I could experiment with 
>>them and maybe stumble on something.
>>
>>
>>At 07:50 AM 12/29/2008, you wrote:
>>>as far as I understand , you assign a sound font file / preset to 
>>>each of the 16 channels from SynthFont's interface; then save it 
>>>as a .vstarr file.
>>>best
>>>Roy.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
>>>Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:32 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hey Roy, how do we change bank messages in sinthfont?
>>>>
>>>>Seems to me the easiest way would be to insert it in the .starr 
>>>>file by default the synth will respond to program changes from 
>>>>the track view but not bank.
>>>>
>>>>Any easy way to unlock that, or does it have to be set permanently?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 06:44 AM 12/28/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>personally I use sfz for tweaking annd playing .sfz files , and 
>>>>>SynthFont vst for sound font playback.
>>>>>in SynthFont vst , channel and other related settings are saved 
>>>>>in an "arrangement" file , saved from within the interface.
>>>>>SynthFont vst is very accessible when navigated with the Jaws cursor.
>>>>><http://www.synthfont.com>www.synthfont.com
>>>>>hope this helps
>>>>>Roy.
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: <mailto:ykhandoo at webmail.co.za>Yamuna Jivana dasa
>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 2:24 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>
>>>>>Roy, Hi there.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think you're talking about the "Patch/controler search back 
>>>>>before play starts" checkbox.
>>>>>Yes, that will prevent Sonar from searching back, although I do 
>>>>>not have any patch change events in the project, and more 
>>>>>especially on the track in question.  What I want to really do, 
>>>>>is to be sure that the next time I open the project, the correct 
>>>>>patches will still be selected on the tracks hosting SFZ. How 
>>>>>can I be sure of that?  How can I save the project such that 
>>>>>after selecting a program (patch) in the SFZ interface, that 
>>>>>that selection will be retained as part of the Sonar project itself?
>>>>>In fact, is that even possible when the selection is not part of 
>>>>>Sonar's track's Bank/Patch property?
>>>>>
>>>>>Is anybody on this list able to successfully save a project 
>>>>>using SFZ as a SoundFont host, and reopen the project with bank 
>>>>>patches retained?  If so, how?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks all over the place...
>>>>>
>>>>>YJd
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: <mailto:shtupler at 013.net>Roy
>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:21 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>
>>>>>maybe try deSelecting some of the checkboxes in the 
>>>>>options|project dialog on the midi out tab.
>>>>>cheers
>>>>>Roy.
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: <mailto:ykhandoo at webmail.co.za>Yamuna Jivana dasa
>>>>>To: <mailto:philmuir1 at hotmail.com>Phil Muir ; 
>>>>><mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:05 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Phil,
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the confirmation. I see that yes it is possible to 
>>>>>sample the sounds via the SFZ property sheet using the bank and 
>>>>>program context menus (thanks to those lovely sets you've built 
>>>>>yet again), but I am not sure how to apply those to the track in 
>>>>>Sonar to which I need to record.
>>>>>If I select the program in the property sheet of SFZ, then I hit 
>>>>>Space bar to play the project within Sonar, it immediately 
>>>>>resets to the previous sound.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>YJd
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: <mailto:philmuir1 at hotmail.com>Phil Muir
>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:00 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes.  You can look at the patch names from within the SFZ 
>>>>>property sheet with the provided .HsC sets but your right, it is a sad thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards, Phil Muir
>>>>>
>>>>>P J Muir Productions,
>>>>>Music And Audio Production
>>>>>Telephone: US (615) 713-2021
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>>>>>E-mail:
>>>>><mailto:info at philmuir.com>info at philmuir.com
>>>>>URL:
>>>>><http://www.philmuir.com/>www.philmuir.com/
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: <mailto:ykhandoo at webmail.co.za>Yamuna Jivana dasa
>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>jsonar at jsonar.org
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:22 PM
>>>>>Subject: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Trust you are all well over the festive season.
>>>>>
>>>>>I just began trying out the SFZ player that comes with Sonar 8, 
>>>>>a long over due move from Live Synth Pro, but I am finding that 
>>>>>after loading up a SF2 file, then in Sonar, routing the audio 
>>>>>and midi tracks to SFZ, setting the midi track channel to one of 
>>>>>SFZ's channels, it is not possible to use Sonar's Patch browser 
>>>>>of the track property to access the list of patches by patch 
>>>>>names, as it was previously possible with Live Synth Pro.
>>>>>This Patch browser was a powerful tool at accessing soft synth's 
>>>>>instruments, without having to remember bank and patch 
>>>>>numbers.  Do we have to now live without it? If so, it would be a sad thing.
>>>>>I also seem to find that when you move through the bank or patch 
>>>>>column using increment and decrement keys with JSonar, only 
>>>>>patch or bank numbers change, and it does not show up instrument names.
>>>>>Is there another easy way of accessing instruments now, such 
>>>>>that the selection can be applied to the selected Midi track in the project?
>>>>>Please can you guys at least let us know how y'all are doing it.
>>>>>Thanks a lot Folks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>Yamuna
>>>>>
>>>>>
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