[Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser

Tue Dec 30 06:57:33 PST 2008

Now hey, that's an idea it sure worked on the proteus stuff.

At 07:42 AM 12/30/2008, you wrote:
>try the controller 0 and controller 32 from Sonar's event view; this may work.
>best
>Roy.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>
>
>>Well, could get the synth font interface to cooperate with 
>>window-eyes, maybe need to try jaws, but managed to do it with bank 
>>numbers in the .starr file.
>>
>>On track 11 which is really channel 11 the way they have things 
>>mapped changed 0:0 to 128:0 which gave me a drumkit on midi channel 11.
>>
>>Of course it'd be nice to have dynamic bank numbers instead of this 
>>hard wired approach we have dynamic program changes, why can't bank 
>>changes be this way?
>>
>>Ah well, can't bitch if the program is free right?
>>
>>Maybe there's a way to do it and we ain't discovered it yet, or 
>>maybe we can write to the author and ask him to give us this feature.
>>
>>I know we have sfz and stuff, but I'd pay for a decent font player 
>>that was accessible without any special voodoo and synth font has 
>>the added advantage of being able to do vst effects and all that 
>>stuff as well as multiple fonts which sfz can't do and I do have a 
>>butt load of sound fonts.
>>
>>
>>
>>At 04:38 AM 12/30/2008, you wrote:
>>>so from Synthfont's interface , simply assign the other drum kit 
>>>to channel 11 , pick up your favorit preset , and send the midi 
>>>tracks controlling this kit to channel 11 , output to Synthfont.
>>>cheers
>>>Roy.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:53 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>
>>>
>>>>So you haven't assigned bank messages to your fonts yet?
>>>>
>>>>Fonts use conroler 0 method for that, and the reason I want to do 
>>>>this is to use more than one drum kit say assign another drumkit 
>>>>on channel 11 I could always split up the font but that's a pain 
>>>>in the but, I want to assign a bank number and ge another drum kit.
>>>>
>>>>I can't find anything about that in the manual/tutorials.
>>>>
>>>>I wee settings in the .starr file, maybe I could experiment with 
>>>>them and maybe stumble on something.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 07:50 AM 12/29/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>as far as I understand , you assign a sound font file / preset 
>>>>>to each of the 16 channels from SynthFont's interface; then save 
>>>>>it as a .vstarr file.
>>>>>best
>>>>>Roy.
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:32 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Roy, how do we change bank messages in sinthfont?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seems to me the easiest way would be to insert it in the .starr 
>>>>>>file by default the synth will respond to program changes from 
>>>>>>the track view but not bank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any easy way to unlock that, or does it have to be set permanently?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 06:44 AM 12/28/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>personally I use sfz for tweaking annd playing .sfz files , 
>>>>>>>and SynthFont vst for sound font playback.
>>>>>>>in SynthFont vst , channel and other related settings are 
>>>>>>>saved in an "arrangement" file , saved from within the interface.
>>>>>>>SynthFont vst is very accessible when navigated with the Jaws cursor.
>>>>>>><http://www.synthfont.com>www.synthfont.com
>>>>>>>hope this helps
>>>>>>>Roy.
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: <mailto:ykhandoo at webmail.co.za>Yamuna Jivana dasa
>>>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 2:24 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Roy, Hi there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think you're talking about the "Patch/controler search back 
>>>>>>>before play starts" checkbox.
>>>>>>>Yes, that will prevent Sonar from searching back, although I 
>>>>>>>do not have any patch change events in the project, and more 
>>>>>>>especially on the track in question.  What I want to really 
>>>>>>>do, is to be sure that the next time I open the project, the 
>>>>>>>correct patches will still be selected on the tracks hosting 
>>>>>>>SFZ. How can I be sure of that?  How can I save the project 
>>>>>>>such that after selecting a program (patch) in the SFZ 
>>>>>>>interface, that that selection will be retained as part of the 
>>>>>>>Sonar project itself?
>>>>>>>In fact, is that even possible when the selection is not part 
>>>>>>>of Sonar's track's Bank/Patch property?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is anybody on this list able to successfully save a project 
>>>>>>>using SFZ as a SoundFont host, and reopen the project with 
>>>>>>>bank patches retained?  If so, how?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks all over the place...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>YJd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: <mailto:shtupler at 013.net>Roy
>>>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:21 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>maybe try deSelecting some of the checkboxes in the 
>>>>>>>options|project dialog on the midi out tab.
>>>>>>>cheers
>>>>>>>Roy.
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: <mailto:ykhandoo at webmail.co.za>Yamuna Jivana dasa
>>>>>>>To: <mailto:philmuir1 at hotmail.com>Phil Muir ; 
>>>>>>><mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Phil,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks for the confirmation. I see that yes it is possible to 
>>>>>>>sample the sounds via the SFZ property sheet using the bank 
>>>>>>>and program context menus (thanks to those lovely sets you've 
>>>>>>>built yet again), but I am not sure how to apply those to the 
>>>>>>>track in Sonar to which I need to record.
>>>>>>>If I select the program in the property sheet of SFZ, then I 
>>>>>>>hit Space bar to play the project within Sonar, it immediately 
>>>>>>>resets to the previous sound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>YJd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: <mailto:philmuir1 at hotmail.com>Phil Muir
>>>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:00 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes.  You can look at the patch names from within the SFZ 
>>>>>>>property sheet with the provided .HsC sets but your right, it is a sad thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards, Phil Muir
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>P J Muir Productions,
>>>>>>>Music And Audio Production
>>>>>>>Telephone: US (615) 713-2021
>>>>>>>UK+44-1747-821-794
>>>>>>>Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
>>>>>>>E-mail:
>>>>>>><mailto:info at philmuir.com>info at philmuir.com
>>>>>>>URL:
>>>>>>><http://www.philmuir.com/>www.philmuir.com/
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: <mailto:ykhandoo at webmail.co.za>Yamuna Jivana dasa
>>>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>jsonar at jsonar.org
>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:22 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Trust you are all well over the festive season.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just began trying out the SFZ player that comes with Sonar 
>>>>>>>8, a long over due move from Live Synth Pro, but I am finding 
>>>>>>>that after loading up a SF2 file, then in Sonar, routing the 
>>>>>>>audio and midi tracks to SFZ, setting the midi track channel 
>>>>>>>to one of SFZ's channels, it is not possible to use Sonar's 
>>>>>>>Patch browser of the track property to access the list of 
>>>>>>>patches by patch names, as it was previously possible with Live Synth Pro.
>>>>>>>This Patch browser was a powerful tool at accessing soft 
>>>>>>>synth's instruments, without having to remember bank and patch 
>>>>>>>numbers.  Do we have to now live without it? If so, it would be a sad thing.
>>>>>>>I also seem to find that when you move through the bank or 
>>>>>>>patch column using increment and decrement keys with JSonar, 
>>>>>>>only patch or bank numbers change, and it does not show up instrument names.
>>>>>>>Is there another easy way of accessing instruments now, such 
>>>>>>>that the selection can be applied to the selected Midi track in the project?
>>>>>>>Please can you guys at least let us know how y'all are doing it.
>>>>>>>Thanks a lot Folks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yamuna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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