[Jsonar] Fw1884
Phil Muir
philmuir1 at hotmail.com
Fri Jan 2 13:52:35 PST 2009
Would like it if they had written this into the firmware of the FW1884.
That would be an even better option. Don't expect that to happen ever
though.
Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions,
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean A. Cummins" <seanacummins at gmail.com>
To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Jsonar] Fw1884
> Hey Rod,
>
> There is currently no way other then switching the sends attached to the
> Master bus. Herman, and I have put in a feature request a couple of
> months ago to cakewalk. They think it is a good idea, so as many of you
> out there that would like to have more then one set of monitors connected
> to your FW-1884, please send in a feature request of your own. The more,
> the better.
>
> Sean
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Alcidonis" <roddj12 at hotmail.com>
> To: <jsonar at jsonar.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:40 PM
> Subject: [Jsonar] Fw1884
>
>
>> Thanks, Shawnn. Actually, i am not looking to do surround mixing. I just
>> need to attach multiple monitors to my fw1884 and switch back and forth
>> to them as needed. I will seek other sources.
>>
>> Rod Alcidonis
>> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009
>> Roger Williams University School of Law
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>> Home: 401-824-8685
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>>> 1. Activating multiple monitor outputs for fw1884 (Rod Alcidonis)
>>> 2. Re: Activating multiple monitor outputs for fw1884
>>> (Sean A. Cummins)
>>> 3. [ddots-l] FW 1884 and Surround Mixing (Sean A. Cummins)
>>> 4. Re: SFZ with Sonar's patch browser (Chris Belle)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 04:33:35 -0500
>>> From: "Rod Alcidonis" <roddj12 at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Jsonar] Activating multiple monitor outputs for fw1884
>>> To: <jsonar at jsonar.org>
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>>> Hello guys:
>>>
>>> I tried this on the midimag list with no success.
>>> I am looking to activate the other monitor outputs on the fw1884 so I
>>> can plug in two other speaker sets for monitoring. I can't find how to
>>> do that. Currently, only the main monitor out is active on the unit.
>>>
>>> Any tips please?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Rod Alcidonis
>>> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009
>>> Roger Williams University School of Law
>>> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
>>> Bristol, RI 02809
>>> Home: 401-824-8685
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>>> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:33:52 -0700
>>> From: "Sean A. Cummins" <seanacummins at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Jsonar] Activating multiple monitor outputs for fw1884
>>> To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
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>>> Yeah Rod,
>>>
>>> Herman Ferman (HF) is just about the smartest and most skilled person on
>>> these lists. Without him, many people like myself , Phil Muir and many
>>> others would not be where we are today. But, most people don't know
>>> this before they shoot their mouths off about him. Herman is probably
>>> the biggest proponent for the development of the CT Scripps and the
>>> cause of where they now are today.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you might want to solicit his help directly!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Sean A. Cummins
>>> Consultant
>>> InVision Technical
>>> PO Box 2015
>>> Cottonwood AZ 86326
>>> SeanACummins at GMail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Rod Alcidonis
>>> To: jsonar at jsonar.org
>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:33 AM
>>> Subject: [Jsonar] Activating multiple monitor outputs for fw1884
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello guys:
>>>
>>> I tried this on the midimag list with no success.
>>> I am looking to activate the other monitor outputs on the fw1884 so I
>>> can plug in two other speaker sets for monitoring. I can't find how to
>>> do that. Currently, only the main monitor out is active on the unit.
>>>
>>> Any tips please?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Rod Alcidonis
>>> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009
>>> Roger Williams University School of Law
>>> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
>>> Bristol, RI 02809
>>> Home: 401-824-8685
>>> Cell: 718-704-4651
>>>
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>>> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 07:36:54 -0700
>>> From: "Sean A. Cummins" <seanacummins at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Jsonar] [ddots-l] FW 1884 and Surround Mixing
>>> To: "JSonar" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
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>>> Oh,
>>>
>>> By the way Rod! I just spoke with Herman, and he informed me that all
>>> the information you need for setting up for Surround Mixing is in the
>>> Sonar Help
>>> system. Just search for the key words "Surround Mixing" and voile...
>>> all the information you need.
>>>
>>> As far as enabling the FW-1884 drivers, that is done in the FW-1884
>>> control panel under the "fast start" tab. If you don't know how to do
>>> that, perhaps
>>> Bryan from Dancing Dots or Phil can help you.
>>>
>>> Sean
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>>> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:41:17 -0600
>>> From: Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>> To: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list <jsonar at jsonar.org>
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>>> Yes, I am.
>>> At 01:19 AM 12/31/2008, you wrote:
>>>>works fine here with multi processes enabled.
>>>>best
>>>>Roy.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Yamuna Jivana dasa"
>>>><ykhandoo at webmail.co.za>
>>>>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:53 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>But have you enabled the use multiple processors option, or
>>>>>something like that, in the Options, Audio, Advanced tab?
>>>>>If not, then it will work fine because you're really not making use
>>>>>of multiple processors that are on your system, if I understand
>>>>>correctly!
>>>>>Please jump in here Guys, if I'm wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>YJd
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:33 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>No problem here with either synth font or live synth pro on my
>>>>>>dual core machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 12:25 PM 12/30/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>Guys,
>>>>>>> From the SynthFont author himself, Kenneth Runt, I've heard that
>>>>>>> he has still to implement support for multiple core systems.
>>>>>>>Y'all using dual/quad core systems, what has your experience been to
>>>>>>>date?
>>>>>>>Also how many outputs does SoundFont have?
>>>>>>>I'm a little rusty, or should I say, clueless about this
>>>>>>>controlers 0, 32 Etc you guys are talking about, for assigning
>>>>>>>bank/patch stuff.
>>>>>>>I'm surprised that we Blinks cannot do like we used to in the
>>>>>>>past with LiveSynth Pro, go into Patch browser, easily preview
>>>>>>>sounds as we rumble through a list, and then enter on the one we
>>>>>>>wanted to use on that track.
>>>>>>>Even with SFZ I'm finding we have to access that magic Program
>>>>>>>button with the scripts, arrow to something, press enter to hear
>>>>>>>it, then repeat this each time just to hear a new sound! It's
>>>>>>>really tedious to find something interesting as you work. Really
>>>>>>>slow!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>YJd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy" <shtupler at 013.net>
>>>>>>>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:38 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>so from Synthfont's interface , simply assign the other drum kit
>>>>>>>>to channel 11 , pick up your favorit preset , and send the midi
>>>>>>>>tracks controlling this kit to channel 11 , output to Synthfont.
>>>>>>>>cheers
>>>>>>>>Roy.
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>><cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:53 AM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So you haven't assigned bank messages to your fonts yet?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Fonts use conroler 0 method for that, and the reason I want to
>>>>>>>>>do this is to use more than one drum kit say assign another
>>>>>>>>>drumkit on channel 11 I could always split up the font but
>>>>>>>>>that's a pain in the but, I want to assign a bank number and ge
>>>>>>>>>another drum kit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I can't find anything about that in the manual/tutorials.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I wee settings in the .starr file, maybe I could experiment
>>>>>>>>>with them and maybe stumble on something.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>At 07:50 AM 12/29/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>as far as I understand , you assign a sound font file / preset
>>>>>>>>>>to each of the 16 channels from SynthFont's interface; then
>>>>>>>>>>save it as a .vstarr file.
>>>>>>>>>>best
>>>>>>>>>>Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>>>><cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <jsonar at jsonar.org>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hey Roy, how do we change bank messages in sinthfont?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Seems to me the easiest way would be to insert it in the
>>>>>>>>>>>.starr file by default the synth will respond to program
>>>>>>>>>>>changes from the track view but not bank.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Any easy way to unlock that, or does it have to be set
>>>>>>>>>>>permanently?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>At 06:44 AM 12/28/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>personally I use sfz for tweaking annd playing .sfz files ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>and SynthFont vst for sound font playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>in SynthFont vst , channel and other related settings are
>>>>>>>>>>>>saved in an "arrangement" file , saved from within the
>>>>>>>>>>>>interface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>SynthFont vst is very accessible when navigated with the Jaws
>>>>>>>>>>>>cursor.
>>>>>>>>>>>><http://www.synthfont.com>www.synthfont.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>hope this helps
>>>>>>>>>>>>Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>From: <mailto:ykhandoo at webmail.co.za>Yamuna Jivana dasa
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>>list
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 2:24 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Roy, Hi there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I think you're talking about the "Patch/controler search
>>>>>>>>>>>>back before play starts" checkbox.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, that will prevent Sonar from searching back, although I
>>>>>>>>>>>>do not have any patch change events in the project, and more
>>>>>>>>>>>>especially on the track in question. What I want to really
>>>>>>>>>>>>do, is to be sure that the next time I open the project, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>correct patches will still be selected on the tracks hosting
>>>>>>>>>>>>SFZ. How can I be sure of that? How can I save the project
>>>>>>>>>>>>such that after selecting a program (patch) in the SFZ
>>>>>>>>>>>>interface, that that selection will be retained as part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>the Sonar project itself?
>>>>>>>>>>>>In fact, is that even possible when the selection is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>part of Sonar's track's Bank/Patch property?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Is anybody on this list able to successfully save a project
>>>>>>>>>>>>using SFZ as a SoundFont host, and reopen the project with
>>>>>>>>>>>>bank patches retained? If so, how?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks all over the place...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>YJd
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>From: <mailto:shtupler at 013.net>Roy
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>>list
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:21 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>maybe try deSelecting some of the checkboxes in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>options|project dialog on the midi out tab.
>>>>>>>>>>>>cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>From: <mailto:ykhandoo at webmail.co.za>Yamuna Jivana dasa
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: <mailto:philmuir1 at hotmail.com>Phil Muir ;
>>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Phil,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for the confirmation. I see that yes it is possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>to sample the sounds via the SFZ property sheet using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>bank and program context menus (thanks to those lovely sets
>>>>>>>>>>>>you've built yet again), but I am not sure how to apply
>>>>>>>>>>>>those to the track in Sonar to which I need to record.
>>>>>>>>>>>>If I select the program in the property sheet of SFZ, then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>hit Space bar to play the project within Sonar, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>immediately resets to the previous sound.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>YJd
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>From: <mailto:philmuir1 at hotmail.com>Phil Muir
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>>list
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:00 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes. You can look at the patch names from within the SFZ
>>>>>>>>>>>>property sheet with the provided .HsC sets but your right, it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>a sad thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards, Phil Muir
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>P J Muir Productions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>Music And Audio Production
>>>>>>>>>>>>Telephone: US (615) 713-2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>UK+44-1747-821-794
>>>>>>>>>>>>Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
>>>>>>>>>>>>E-mail:
>>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:info at philmuir.com>info at philmuir.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>URL:
>>>>>>>>>>>><http://www.philmuir.com/>www.philmuir.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>From: <mailto:ykhandoo at webmail.co.za>Yamuna Jivana dasa
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: <mailto:jsonar at jsonar.org>jsonar at jsonar.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:22 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [Jsonar] SFZ with Sonar's patch browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Trust you are all well over the festive season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I just began trying out the SFZ player that comes with Sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>>8, a long over due move from Live Synth Pro, but I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>finding that after loading up a SF2 file, then in Sonar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>routing the audio and midi tracks to SFZ, setting the midi
>>>>>>>>>>>>track channel to one of SFZ's channels, it is not possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>to use Sonar's Patch browser of the track property to access
>>>>>>>>>>>>the list of patches by patch names, as it was previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>possible with Live Synth Pro.
>>>>>>>>>>>>This Patch browser was a powerful tool at accessing soft
>>>>>>>>>>>>synth's instruments, without having to remember bank and
>>>>>>>>>>>>patch numbers. Do we have to now live without it? If so, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>would be a sad thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I also seem to find that when you move through the bank or
>>>>>>>>>>>>patch column using increment and decrement keys with JSonar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>only patch or bank numbers change, and it does not show up
>>>>>>>>>>>>instrument names.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Is there another easy way of accessing instruments now, such
>>>>>>>>>>>>that the selection can be applied to the selected Midi track in
>>>>>>>>>>>>the project?
>>>>>>>>>>>>Please can you guys at least let us know how y'all are doing it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks a lot Folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Yamuna
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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