[Jsonar] Proposing That We Change The WayThe Tab Key OperatesIn Sonar 8.5

Mon Feb 1 04:28:48 PST 2010

Hi phil,
Ok I'm running the windows 7 ultimate and all in all I like it very much.

I have adjusted my display settings to 1024 * 768, and my girlfriend says
that it looks terrible on the screen now with large letters and a funny
layout. But what the h. the hsc sets work. Grin

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org [mailto:jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org] On Behalf
Of Phil Muir
Sent: 1. februar 2010 11:15
To: 'JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list'
Subject: Re: [Jsonar] Proposing That We Change The WayThe Tab Key OperatesIn
Sonar 8.5

Bryan wrote: Hi vic,
The problem we often run into is that we might not remember what views are
opened.
For example both the eventview and the synth rack will cludder up the rest
if opened.

Phil replied: that's why it's best to have only one view open at a time,
smile.

Bryan wrote: I have my sonar 8.52 saying something like 1 2 3 4 5 6 and then
the up and down arrow didn't work any more.

Phil replied: when that happens, have you tried toggling the menus with the
alt key then, pressing escape?

Bryan wrote: I think Jaws and sonar also has a harder time coexisting, when
other
programs are opened. At least in windows 7.

Phil replied; will find out by the weekend, grin.  Have ordered a couple of
copies of Windows 7 Professional.  Expecting them on Friday.

Bryan wrote: The old requirement of 1024 by 768 pixels really isn't adequid
anymore as
more and more users tend to switch to laptop, and many of these are using a
16 : 9 display utilizing other display settings, and it's not as easy to
change these settings any more as it was in xp.
For example my HP Pavillion 9847 with an NVidia geforce graphics controller
and a 17 inch display will default to something like 1440 by 900 something.

Phil replied: this Lenovo has a much higher screen setting too although, I
can put it back to 1024 by 768.  In fact, I need to do that, other wise HsC
sets could potentially break, grin.

Bryan wrote: Anyway now I'll actually try this setting just to see what
happens. :-)

Phil replied: if you try a higher screen setting then, HSC sets will most
likely break.

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-----Original Message-----
From: jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org [mailto:jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org]On
Behalf Of Brian Olesen
Sent: 01 February 2010 00:14
To: 'JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list'
Subject: Re: [Jsonar] Proposing That We Change The WayThe Tab Key
OperatesIn Sonar 8.5

Hi vic,
The problem we often run into is that we might not remember what views are
opened.
For example both the eventview and the synth rack will cludder up the rest
if opened. I have my sonar 8.52 saying something like 1 2 3 4 5 6 and then
the up and down arrow didn't work any more.
I think Jaws and sonar also has a harder time coexisting, when other
programs are opened. At least in windows 7.

The old requirement of 1024 by 768 pixels really isn't adequid anymore as
more and more users tend to switch to laptop, and many of these are using a
16 : 9 display utilizing other display settings, and it's not as easy to
change these settings any more as it was in xp.
For example my HP Pavillion 9847 with an NVidia geforce graphics controller
and a 17 inch display will default to something like 1440 by 900 something.

Anyway now I'll actually try this setting just to see what happens. :-)

Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org [mailto:jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org] On Behalf
Of Victor Tsaran
Sent: 1. februar 2010 00:26
To: info at accessibilitytraining.co.uk; JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
Subject: Re: [Jsonar] Proposing That We Change The Way The Tab Key
OperatesIn Sonar 8.5

I agree, but I think that there should have been a shortcut key , like,
F6, that moves you between open panels. F6 sort of works, but it's a bit
inconsistent, for whatever reason.V

On 1/31/2010 5:34 AM, Phil Muir wrote:
> Hmm, don't know.  If your a WindowEyes user then, your probably very happy
> that the lettter I drops you into the track inspector.  Other wise, you
> would have to get their with your mouse keys.
>
>
>
> Regards, Phil Muir
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org [mailto:jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org]On
> Behalf Of Victor Tsaran
> Sent: 31 January 2010 04:44
> To: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
> Subject: Re: [Jsonar] Proposing That We Change The Way The Tab Key
> OperatesIn Sonar 8.5
>
>
> I actually dont think that what Sonar implemented is all that logical.
> Letter I is supposed to hide an show track inspector but not move focus
> to it. The track inspector may be displayed on the screen while the user
> performs other functions within Sonar.
> But it is what it is.
>
> On 1/30/2010 12:28 PM, Brian Olesen wrote:
>> Hi,
>> In my opinion the currennt way it works has gotten a bit slow lately. And
>> the fact that sonar has changed th behavior also is logical to follow.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Brian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org [mailto:jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org] On
> Behalf
>> Of Scott Chesworth
>> Sent: 30. januar 2010 12:25
>> To: Victor Tsaran
>> Cc: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
>> Subject: Re: [Jsonar] Proposing That We Change The Way The Tab Key
>> OperatesIn Sonar 8.5
>>
>> I wouldn't exactly call it translation, your English is pretty sharp
>> already Vic, more like ocasional correction.  In any case, checking
>> through new settings to make sure the phrasing is clear and at it's
>> most officient isn't a hard job.  I'd be happy to do it.
>>
>> On 1/30/10, Victor Tsaran<vtsaran at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>> It's actually easy to implement verbosity settings. I am more concerned
>>> about making sure that they are translated.
>>>
>>> On 1/29/2010 8:57 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>> Verbosity choices are always a good thing to have, so if it's doable
>>>> I'd appreciate the implimentation.  Sorry for the extra headache
>>>> though Vic lol.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/29/10, Julien SEGARULL<juliensegarull at free.fr>    wrote:
>>>>> Agree to.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "monkey pusher"<monkeypusher69 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To:<jsonar at jsonar.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jsonar] Proposing That We Change The Way The Tab Key
>>>>> OperatesIn Sonar 8.5
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> i like/agree with all these suggestions as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri Jan 29th, 2010 9:57 AM EST Tim Burgess wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like the verbosity idea, though Vic might not.
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>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org [mailto:jsonar-bounces at jsonar.org]
On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Phil Muir
>>>>>>> Sent: 29 January 2010 12:31
>>>>>>> To: Free Sonar Scripts (E-mail)
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jsonar] Proposing That We Change The Way The Tab Key
>>>>>>> Operates
>>>>>>> In Sonar 8.5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vic wrote: We will need to make this conditional because not
everyone
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> using Sonar 8.5.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phil replied: understood.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vic wrote: Also, do we need to announce anything when moving from
>>>>>>> transient
>>>>>>> to transient?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phil replied: Hmm, got me thinking now.  I wonder if we could make
>> this
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> verbosity option?  Meaning that it would be enabled by default
>> however,
>>>>>>> advanced users would have the option to turn this off.  What do you
>> all
>>>>>>> think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vic wrote: Regarding the note in the snapshot log, this is still
> valid
>>>>>>> because we need to be able to recognize that we landed in the right
>>>>>>> pane.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phil replied; cool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards, Phil Muir
>>>>>>> Accessibility Training
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>>>>>>> UK+44-1747-821-794
>>>>>>> Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
>>>>>>> E-mail:
>>>>>>>
>> info at accessibilitytraining.co.uk<mailto:info at accessibilitytraining.co.uk>
>>>>>>> URL:
>>>>>>>
>> www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/<http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Victor Tsaran [mailto:vtsaran at gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: 29 January 2010 04:11
>>>>>>> To: info at accessibilitytraining.co.uk; JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for
> Sonar
>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jsonar] Proposing That We Change The Way The Tab Key
>>>>>>> Operates In Sonar 8.5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will need to make this conditional because not everyone is using
>>>>>>> Sonar 8.5.
>>>>>>> Also, do we need to announce anything when moving from transient to
>>>>>>> transient?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regarding the note in the snapshot log, this is still valid because
> we
>>>>>>> need to be able to recognize that we landed in the right pane.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/28/2010 1:41 AM, Phil Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>>>> I propose that in Sonar 8.5, we make tab key be used for transients
>> in
>>>>>>>> AudioSnap. In this proposal, the tab key would no longer open and
>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>> the track inspector. Instead, the letter I would be used for this
>>>>>>>> purpose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note: all of the above is how this works by default in Sonar.
>>>>>>>> Also, read this in the latest JSonar snapshot:
>>>>>>>> Revision: 1109
>>>>>>>> Author: vtsaran
>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>> - Changed the way we find track inspector to make JSonar less
>>>>>>>> dependent
>>>>>>>> on window class name. It's a bit fiddly, but it works!
>>>>>>>> I suspect we wouldn't need to do this in Sonar 8.5 as the letter I
>>>>>>>> opens/closes the track inspector, and places focus into the
>>>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>>>> view. Thoughts, anyone?
>>>>>>>> Regards, Phil Muir
>>>>>>>> Accessibility Training
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>>>>>>>> UK+44-1747-821-794
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>>>>>>>> <http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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